
The ‘Bar Is High’ to Usurp BCG, but Novel Therapies Could Drive Change in Bladder Cancer Management
Bogdana Schmidt, MD, MPH, discussed FDA-approved BCG-refractory treatments and recent shifts in BCG-naive NMIBC management.
Within the past 5 years, the bladder cancer space has seen significant shifts, including several FDA approvals and trials showcasing recent developments, improving response rates and durability, and safety, according to Bogdana Schmidt, MD, MPH.
Additionally, coming off the heels of the
“We recently had the AUA [Annual] Meeting, and there have been updates for a couple treatments. The SunRISe-1 trial was presented, which [evaluated] gemcitabine released in a device form [called TAR-200], and it is administered intravesically every 3 weeks,” Schmidt said in an interview with OncLive® during Bladder Cancer Awareness Month, observed in May. “There are going to be other companies that have drugs in [the BCG-naive] space as well, looking to improve upon BCG, but we're already seeing that the bar is pretty high, so we're all going to be pretty picky about these data.”
During the interview, Schmidt discussed FDA-approved bladder-sparing therapies in BCG-refractory NMIBC and how they fit into the treatment paradigm; emphasized how minimally invasive and robotic approaches have shaped the bladder cancer landscape; and current shifts in the BCG-naive space.
Schmidt is an associate professor in the Division of Urology at the University of Utah Huntsman Cancer Institute in Salt Lake City. In a previous article,
OncLive: What are the current FDA-approved bladder-sparing therapies, and how do these fit into the treatment paradigm in BCG-refractory NMIBC?
Schmidt: [Among bladder-sparing treatments] that are FDA approved in the BCG-refractory space,
Then,
How have minimally invasive and robotic modalities continued to shape the treatment paradigm?
[These modalities] help our patients recover faster. There was a randomized trial published a couple of years ago that demonstrated an improvement in overall survival for patients who get a robotic cystectomy. This was based on a decreased risk of death, which most people think is attributable to blood clots because maybe patients are moving around a little bit more and better after robotic surgery. It's not based on oncologic principles that were better [following robotic surgery], but I think from a recovery standpoint, maybe it's a little bit easier on patients. That's the first data we've had in the bladder cancer space that showed a real improvement in using robotic technologies.
We also had a great clinical trial read out a couple years ago—the [phase 3] SWOG S1011 trial [NCT01224665]—looking at the lymph node dissections in bladder cancer. We used to do very extended lymph node dissections because we had a lot of retrospective data showing that if there was a benefit to removing more lymph nodes, maybe we could cure more patients with more extensive dissection. This randomized trial demonstrated that we were wrong. [We learned] that a thorough but anatomically standard template dissection was better than the extended node dissection because it had less morbidity. Patients had fewer blood clots in that space, but it did not really change cancer outcomes. Therefore, we're studying more in this space and learning things that are changing our practice, which is always so important.
How have shifts in the BCG-naive space helped improve outcomes?
The BCG-naive space is growing; the BCG-refractory space has some approvals, but there are now trials looking at agents going head-to-head with BCG, and this is the first time that we've had anything in this space. At the AUA Annual Meeting,
It had very interesting findings. It showed that BCG was quite good, which we already knew. It demonstrated, in a very nice way, that the bar is very high in the space because BCG is a very effective treatment. It also showed that BCG maintenance is very important. You can't just do the first 6 weeks of BCG; it requires the maintenance phase to go out for several years. It also showed that, with the addition of other agents to BCG, we can [obtain better outcomes].
Overall, this was a positive trial, as it also showed that the sasanlimab addition improved upon the reduction of recurrences in BCG-naive disease. Still, it comes at a cost with systemic AEs. Nevertheless, this space will continue to grow. The SunRISe team has trials in this space as well for BCG-naive disease assessing TAR-200 that should read out shortly.
References
- Johnson & Johnson’s TAR-200 monotherapy demonstrates highest complete response rate with sustained clinical benefits in patients with certain types of bladder cancer. News release. Johnson & Johnson. April 26, 2025. Accessed May 19, 2025. https://www.jnj.com/media-center/press-releases/johnson-johnsons-tar-200-monotherapy-demonstrates-highest-complete-response-rate-with-sustained-clinical-benefits-in-patients-with-certain-types-of-bladder-cancer
- Tyson M. BOND-003 cohort C- a phase-3, single-arm study of intravesical cretostimogene grenadenorepvec for high-risk BCG-unresponsive NMIBC with CIS. Presented at: American Urological Association Annual Congress; April 26-29, 2025; Las Vegas, NV. P2s.
- Shore ND, Powles T, Bedke J, et al. Sasanlimab in combination with Bacillus Calmette-Guérin improves event-free survival versus Bacillus Calmette-Guérin as standard of care in high-risk non–muscle-invasive bladder cancer: Phase 3 CREST study results. Presented at: 2025 AUA Annual Meeting; April 26-29, 2025; Las Vegas, NV.



































